Ira Allen never killed anyone, he wasnt even in  town when this happened, he was sent to Salt Lake City with a message asking Brigham Young what they should do,  He returned with a message from Brigham Young that said, to leave them alone and let them pass in peace. but it was too late,   I would appreciate you not defaming my Families Name.  I do agree that this was a horrible crime. But I trust my Great Great Grandpa's words, that he was not involved.

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Trace Atkinson
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Reponse to Trace Atkinson from Webmaster:

Dear Trace,

Thank you for you email concerning your great great grandpa's participation in  the Mountain Meadows Massacre. I have to agree with you on one thing you said he wasn't even in town. Your right he wasn't in town he was out in Mountain Meadows as confirmed by John D. Lee in his confessions “Mormonism Unveiled,” Anna Jean Backus' book “Mountain Meadows Witness,” William Wise's book “Massacre at Mountain Meadows,” and the Iron County Militia roster for September 10, 1857 in “A Trial Furnace: Southern Utah's Iron Mission.”

The following web sites list Ira Allen as a participant in the massacre, The 1857 Iron County Militia Project, and Mountain Meadows Massacre Assassins. I believe the Mormon book web site also list Ira Allen as a participant.

The sad part about all this is that the LDS Church has knowingly sponsored, endorsed, and forever immortalized these butchers into history. 

I am not defaming your family name by stating the facts. In most cases a militia would not send a
2nd lieutenant as a messenger; they most likely would have sent a private.

I doubt if many people given the evidence would trust your great great grandpa's words but we certainly forgive him. My site only uses the facts, and it took many men to murder in cold blood, over 120 unarmed men, women and children. The evidence shows that beyond a reasonable doubt and within a moral certainty that Ira Allen was a Mormon Shooter and Clubber.

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Best regards,
Frank Kirkman
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Very one-sided and speculative in many instances.

Very one-sided and speculative in many instances. Some Mormons made serious mistakes, but blaming Brigham Young and especially Jacob Hamblin is ridiculous.

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Mr. Wixom,

Thank you for your interest in the Frank Kirkman's Mountain Meadow Massacre site. My records indicate that you were on my site for approximately 5 minutes and 8 seconds. Your email will be placed on the feedback page.

You googled in on “Jacob Hamblin Grave” search words. You entered on the page A LDS TRIAL LAWYER ROBERT D. CROCKETT DEFENDS BRIGHAM YOUNG page and remained on that page for approximately 3 seconds. You then went to the BRIGHAM YOUNG DESECRATED THE CHRISTIAN CROSS AND ROCK CAIRN page for approximately 5 minutes and 5 seconds. That was your total viewing of the site today.

If you are making your accusations toward my site based upon your visit, of way less than 1% of the site. The site has 360+ pages. I would think that most reasonable and prudent people would consider that RIDICULOUS.

Are you accusing Wilford Woodruffs the 4 th president of the Church of lying? Is the LDS Church records one sided and speculative on what is in the 4 th presidents diary?

Even giving Brigham Young the benefit of the doubt about the massacre, his actions after the massacre were inexcusable. A "man of God" would have deplored the murders loudly and with great publicity, would have actively pursued everyone involved, would have seen that justice was served, by finding and arresting the many dozens of men involved in the mass murder of innocents.

Instead, Brigham Young desecrated their memories by scattering the stones of their memorial, and only then making his statement about finally getting some vengeance. The Mormon Church doesn't dispute these facts.

How, under any interpretation, can these immoral actions be reconciled with the fact that he is revered by Mormons? Why does this man, who should be disgraced and infamous, have his name on the Mormon Church's flagship university?

In 1858 BRIGHAM YOUNG received a presidential pardon for his part in the atrocities at Mountain Meadows from President Buchanan. Why do you suppose he would need a pardon?

Most of the information on this website comes from Mormon historians, which basically is the source of this web site's information. Of course if you are asking about the church's view then we are talking about another matter. I would say that more than 90% of the subject matter on this site comes from Mormon or former Mormon historians and researchers from the various universities and colleges in Utah.

The remainder of the information comes from the US Army's Carleton Report to the U.S. Congress, newspaper articles and the surviving children's eyewitness accounts.

One of the most outrageous facts of the aftermath of this tragedy was the fact that the US Government paid Mormon Jacob Hamblin $600.50 for the care of Sarah, Rebecca and Louisa Dunlap from Sept. 10, 1857-April 17, 1859. Hamblin was paid $318.00 for expenses he incurred in hunting one of the children who survived the massacre.

From Dec. 1, 1858 to June 30, 1859 another $350.00 and from Aug. 1, 1858-April 18, 1859, $1,693.20 was paid him for board, clothing and schooling for children saved from the massacre. $2,961.78 was Hamblin's take for caring for these children, killed by his Mormon brothers and stole their worldly goods.

It was Captain James Lynch, U.S. Army who finally collected the children and took them to Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas where they were met by Senator Mitchell and returned to relatives in Arkansas. Senator Mitchell had lost three sons in the massacre. It was undoubtedly the senator who kept the heat on that led to the rescue of the children and bringing to justice at least one of the guilty, John D. Lee. 

Captain James Lynch, the rescuer of the children, expedited the recovery of the surviving children by pulling a gun on Jacob Hamblin and threatening to "send him to Purgatory" if he didn't stop lying about the whereabouts of the children.

Blind faith to an organized religion is what caused the Mountain Meadows Massacre. I have Saints that email me every day with that same blind faith. The sad part is they do not study their own history. Without that history Frank Kirkman's Mountain Meadows Massacre site would be SPECULATIVE!

The LDS cover-up is only for Mormons and the general public benefit. The truth is available for those who really want to know.

To us relatives and descendants of the massacre victims the massacre of our ancestors is just a bit more than what you call “SERIOUS MISTAKES.”  

Thanks again for your interest. God Bless You and have a nice evening.

Best regards,

Frank Kirkman

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I am very familiar with the facts surronding the MMM. I am even more familiar with Brigham Young and Jacob Hamblin. I do not dispute your facts. I dispute your interpretation of them. Brigham Young believed that several of his personal friends were murdered by your people. Whether he was right or not, it does not justify what was done at Mountain Meadows. But you can't fault him for feeling some ambiguity about what happened based on what he believed. He felt much the same
kind of bitterness that you seem to feel. But, to paraphrase Jan Shipps, if Brigham Young ordered the massacre with Johstons Army breathing down his neck, he was the most foolish man who ever lived. And if you really new anything about Jacob Hamblin, you would know that killing went against everything he stood for. He spent his entire adult life trying to teach the local Indians to be peaceful and civilized. He abhored everything about the MMM, and openly agreed that Brigham should have done more after it happened (even though Brigham was no longer Governor). You and I do not understand why it all happened the way it did, but neither can we do anything about it.

I had ancestors who were tortured for their religios beliefs. It makes me sad and angry until I realize that it's time to let it go. Some day we will all know the truth. But even when all the facts are known, it blame will depend more on the lens you are looking thru than on any other factor. I would ask you to try to look at it through the eyes of a Mormon, and I will try to look at it through the eyes of a descendant. Christ is ghe only one who can truly judge.

Mr. Wixom,

You are caught up here in your own religion fanaticism and that is very sad and very dangerous. Religious fanaticism is what caused the massacre and you spelled it out yourself in your reply. In your reply you are right that Jesus Christ is the only one who can truly judge. All of the Mormon Shooters and Clubbers abhorred what happened at the Massacre after the fact. Most convicted murderers will say the same thing when they come up for a parole hearing.

It is nice that you feel that Jacob Hamblin was such a wonderful man. My interpretation of the facts are straight up and not from some never land dream.

You have still not answered the question how you made the preliminary accusation that you did against this site after being on the site for only 5 minutes and reading only one page out of 360+ pages?

As far as you ancestors being tortured for their religious beliefs you have to look at the overall picture of Mormon History. It is a documented fact that the Mormon's committed crimes where ever they went. I'll let you do the research and you be the judge.

Thanks again for your interest in Frank Kirkman's Mountain Meadows Massacre site. Remember no one is alive today who can be blamed for the massacre. The LDS Church has covered-up the truth about the massacre for over 150 years. As relatives and descendants of the victims our goal is getting the TRUTH from the Church.

God bless you!
Frank Kirkman
Webmaster